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How to Fix Bluetooth Pairing Problems

by on December 26, 2018
in Phones and Mobile, Computers and Software, Phone Accessories, Tips & How-Tos :: 585 comments

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Bluetooth is a popular method of wirelessly transferring data between two devices such as your phone and your headphones, your media player and a speaker, or your iPad and a keyboard. It’s one of the most widely used wireless technology in the world, according to the Bluetooth Special Interest Group. More than 4 billion Bluetooth products are expected to ship last in 2018 alone, and that number will likely almost double within the next three years.

Bluetooth is all great when it works. But if you’re someone who likes to play around with these kinds of connected gadgets, you know it can be frustrating when there’s a hang-up pairing the two. Here are some common causes of pairing problems as well as advice on what you can do about them.

Why Bluetooth pairings fail

Bluetooth depends on both hardware and software to work properly. So if your devices can't speak a common Bluetooth language, they won’t be able to connect.

In general, Bluetooth is backward compatible: Bluetooth devices supporting the Bluetooth 5 standard should still be able to pair with devices using, say, the ancient Bluetooth 2.1, launched back in 2007.

The exceptions are gadgets that use a low-energy version called Bluetooth Smart, which works on a different protocol than older, or "Classic" Bluetooth devices. Bluetooth Smart devices are not backward compatible and won't recognize (or pair with) older devices that support Classic Bluetooth. (For example, an old Sony Ericsson phone sporting Bluetooth 3.0 won't be able to connect to a Bluetooth Smart device.)

However, if a device supports Bluetooth 4.0 (in some cases), 4.2 (in most cases) or 5.0 (in most cases), it should recognize both Bluetooth Smart and Classic. Bluetooth 4.0 devices will be officially labeled Bluetooth Smart Ready. In the case of Bluetooth 4.2 and 5, it's expected.

Gadgets that commonly use Bluetooth Smart include personal health gadgets such as fitness bands or heart-rate monitors. These gadgets will only pair with a smartphone or tablet that also uses Bluetooth Smart – or are Bluetooth Smart Ready.

Most smartphones are Bluetooth Smart compatible. That includes iPhones running iOS 7 and newer, Android phones running 4.3 or newer, Windows Phone 8.1 devices, and all BlackBerry 10 devices. Ensure your phone is running the latest version of its operating system – but if your device isn't new enough to run relatively current software, you may not be able to pair it with that fitness band.

Devices also come with specific Bluetooth profiles. If Bluetooth is the common language connecting devices, you can think of a profile as a dialect associated with a certain use. For example, you probably aren't going to be able to connect a mouse and a camera because a camera doesn’t support the Human Interface Device Profile. But if both a mobile phone and a wireless headset support the Hands-Free Profile, you should be able to pair them.

However, if the pairing failure is a matter of user error, there are steps you can take to get your devices happily communicating with each other.

What you can do about pairing failures

1. Make sure Bluetooth is turned on. You should see the little Bluetooth symbol at the top of your phone’s screen. If you don’t, go into the settings to enable it.

2. Determine which pairing process your device employs. The process for pairing devices can vary. Sometimes, for example, it involves tapping a code into your phone. Other times, you can just physically touch your phone to the device you want to pair it with (you'll see this option with phones and devices that have NFC, or Near Field Communications, as a feature. It's commonly found on Android phones). Or in the case of the Bose SoundLink, you only have to hold down a button on the speaker to pair it with a phone.

If you’re not sure how to pair a device, refer to its user guide; you can usually find one by searching online.

3. Turn on discoverable mode. Let’s say you want to pair your phone with your car’s infotainment system so you can enjoy hands-free calling, texting and navigation. First, go into your phone’s settings and tap on Bluetooth; doing so makes the phone visible to the car. Then depress the buttons on your car's infotainment system, usually on the steering wheel or center stack, to get it looking for the device.

Once it finds your phone, the car may ask for a numeric code you need to confirm or input on your phone. After you do so, the devices should be paired. Keep in mind your phone or your car may only stay in discoverable mode for a few minutes; if you take too long, you’ll need to start over.

4. Make sure the two devices are in close enough proximity to one another. While you wouldn’t think someone might try to pair an iPad with a keyboard if the two weren’t sitting right next to each other, it’s probably worth noting that you should make sure any devices you're trying to pair are within five feet of one other.

5. Power the devices off and back on. A soft reset sometimes can resolve an issue. With phones, an easy way to do this is by going into and out of airplane mode.

6. Remove old Bluetooth connections. Say that faithful Bluetooth speaker usually connects to your partner's smartphone instead of yours. If you're having trouble pairing your phone with the speaker, it could be because the speaker is trying to connect to the old device. Some older devices are very simple. They just try to connect with the last thing they paired with. If a Bluetooth device was previously paired with something else, turn off that other gadget. And if you are no longer planning on using that other gadget, unpair it from your Bluetooth device to prevent future issues. In iOS settings, you can remove a device by tapping on its name and then Forget this Device. In Android settings, tap on a device’s name, then Unpair. After removing a device, start at step 1 on this list.

You can also reset Bluetooth on devices that can pair to more than one device. This clears all pairings from the device so you can start fresh. Search "reset" device name to instructions from the manufacturer.

7. Charge up both devices you're trying to pair. Some devices have smart power management that may turn off Bluetooth if the battery level is too low. If your phone or tablet isn't pairing, make sure it and the device you're trying to pair with have enough juice.

8. Delete a device from a phone and rediscover it. If your phone sees a device but isn’t receiving data from it, sometimes it helps to start from scratch. In iOS settings, you can remove a device by tapping on its name and then Forget this Device. In Android settings, tap on a device’s name, then Unpair. After removing a device, start at step 1 on this list.

9. Get away from the Wi-Fi router. Another potential obstacle to successful pairing is interference from devices that use the same spectrum, such as your Wi-Fi router. Wi-Fi has been designed to cope with this, but it might not be a good idea to have your devices directly on top of the router.

10. Move away from a USB 3.0 port. Interference from USB 3.0 is also possible. Newer laptops, for example, often have the higher-speed USB 3.0 port, so if the connection isn't happening, try pairing your Bluetooth gadgets away from the computer.

11. Make sure the devices you want to pair are designed to connect with each other. Whether it’s a headset, speaker, mouse, keyboard, camera or something else, your device has a specific profile that spells out what it can connect with. If you’re not sure, check the user manual.

12. Download a driver. If you’re having problems pairing something with your PC, you might be lacking the correct driver. The simplest way to figure this out is to do an online search for the name of the device you’re trying to pair along with the word “driver.”

13. Update the hardware’s firmware. Some automotive audio systems have been known to not pair with phones because the Bluetooth drivers in these systems didn’t work with Bluetooth 4.0. If you’re not sure how to get the latest firmware for your hardware, check with the device manufacturer.

14. Limit data shared between devices. Android and Windows devices let you choose the information you share between devices. So, for instance, you can choose to share phone audio, media audio, contacts and text messages with your car. If you don't need to share all of the data, deselecting one or more of the types of information may enable the devices to pair. 

For Android devices, go to Settings > Bluetooth and select the device. If there are options to select, they will appear. For Windows, go to Control Panel > Hardware and Sound > Devices and Printers and right click on the Bluetooth device in question. Then select the Services tab to choose which types of information to share.

15. Clear the Blutooth cache (Android only). Sometimes apps will interfere with Bluetooth operation and clearing the cache can solve the problem. Go Settings > Backup and restart > Reset network settings. 

Not all wireless devices use Bluetooth

Keep in mind that not all wireless devices use Bluetooth. Alternatives include the Wireless Gigabit specification, Wireless HD, ANT+, ZigBee, NFC as well as Wi-Fi Direct. These other technologies typically won’t work with your phone, tablet or PC without some kind of additional hardware.

We hope this guide has helped you with your Bluetooth pairing problems. If you know of any tip we've missed, share in the comments below!

Updated on 12/26/2018

[Image credits: Bluetooth searching for networks vis BigStockPhoto, Bluetooth devices with phone via Shutterstock]



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blue tooth

From John Grubenhoff on March 04, 2019 :: 6:25 pm

CANT HEAR PERSON THAT I CALL WHEN IN MY CAR HAVE HANDS FREE SYSTEM

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What speaker is your phone using?

From Josh Kirschner on March 05, 2019 :: 9:11 am

Check you phone when making a call on your hands-free system to see which speaker the phone is using. I find that if I initiate a call through my phone, I need to manually switch the sound to my car audio system, even if it is already connected to the hands-free system. If I initiate a call through the car’s hands-free system, things work fine.

If this is happening for you, I don’t have a quick fix other than to initiate calls directly from the car system and not the phone.

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very helpful

From David Asbury on March 11, 2019 :: 6:07 pm

I was too close to my laptop.

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Speaker stops

From Dale on March 12, 2019 :: 9:23 pm

I have a UE Mini Boom which I play music from my Android phone. Current phone Oppo A57, previous Samsung 3. In both phones the music will play for a varying period and then it stops. The speaker and phone are still connected and the phone still shows that the music is playing. If I pause the music on the phone and then start play again, the speaker starts playing again.
Have tried re pairing, distancing the two devises and a couple of other things.
Bluetooth works fine on my earbuds and in the car.
Ideas please?

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Possibly sleep mode

From Josh Kirschner on March 13, 2019 :: 3:57 pm

The UE Mini Boom has an automatic sleep mode that shuts it down if it doesn’t sense any activity from your streaming device. Perhaps something is temporarily interfering with the streaming, causing the speaker to shut down, then it wakes up again when you stop and start the music. Unfortunately, I can’t find any way to turn off the Mini Boom sleep feature. If you contact UE support, perhaps they can provide a solution: https://support.ultimateears.com/en/miniboom/

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Not pairing

From Larry on March 13, 2019 :: 9:16 am

I have a bluetooth transmitter hooked to the optical output of my tv. When I put the transmitter into the pairing mode and try to pair my my Mpow or my HX 965 headphones nothing happens. The headphones have audio that say says pairing. Since there is no display except the ready for pairing light sequence I don’t know what I am doing wrong or should be doing. Any helpful ideas?

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Earbud sound issues

From I hate Computers on March 14, 2019 :: 5:43 pm

Ok so after a lot of unnecessary rig-a-ma-role I finally got my ONN earbuds paired with my laptop… Both Items are charged, on, and connected according to my settings. Yet the sound is only coming form the laptops speakers and NOT The pared ear buds… I checked volume the ear buds are at max. Its like they are connected but the signal not transmitting from the laptop to the ear buds. At best they are only a foot apart so i know distance is not an issue. What could possibly be wrong here? (As an also… 2 times today my ear buds which I use on my phone all the time kept dropping the signal there as well.)

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What are the Windows sound settings on your laptop?

From Josh Kirschner on March 15, 2019 :: 2:48 pm

If you right click the speak icon in your system tray and click Open Sounds Settings, or go Sound Playback Options in your System settings, what is the output device listed? If not Bluetooth, is it one of the options you can switch to?

As for dropping with your phone, if you have the earbuds paired to both your phone and laptop, it could be that your earbuds are trying to pair with both devices, creating disconnects when they switch from one to the other.

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Unable to answer

From Daisy Mailhot on March 17, 2019 :: 7:19 pm

I am unable to answer my phone with out having my bluetooth.
Phone rings. I answer. Incoming caller can be heard, but can NOT hear me unless I have bluetooth.
I can receive text… but mine are not sending out. The phone is only 3 months old…..

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Doesn't sound like a bluetooth issue

From Josh Kirschner on March 18, 2019 :: 10:54 am

I’m not clear what, exactly the problem is you’re describing, but it doesn’t sound like a Bluetooth issue. Are you saying that callers can’t hear you from the phone’s microphone, only when you connect a Bluetooth microphone/headset?

Ans the texting issue should have nothing to do with Bluetooth.

I suggest you take your phone to your local carrier store to see if they can take a look and help you determine what is going on.

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My headphones have been connected before but arent

From Sam Blanch on March 23, 2019 :: 3:42 pm

So im trying to connect my headphones to my phone like i always do and they always connect but this time they arent, there full battery, visible and turned on please help

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Unable to pair android samsung galaxy s5 with Toyota 2013 Kluger

From Rob Woodbridge on April 15, 2019 :: 1:43 am

Hi there, I have tried to pair these 2 items and download contacts from Phone. No Go . I entered 1 mobile number directly into car phone system and could ring it out but the other party would pick it up and couldn’t hear me talk back.

Surely there is an easier way. I have probably over 800 contacts work and private so need them all on.
Even toyota dealership could not make heads or tails of it.

Kind regards
Rob

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compatibility

From Helen on April 15, 2019 :: 7:09 am

HI I want to buy some tws earbuds which are V5.0 Bluetooth and my phone has V4.2 Bluetooth. I have asked several of the sellers if they will function properly with V4.2 Bluetooth mobile phone but I have received conflicting replies,so I’m none the wiser, can you please tell me if they would be compatible. Thx

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IPAD

From mary on April 17, 2019 :: 3:17 pm

Trying to get brydge keyboard to connect with IPAD. Bluetooth on IPAD is on but can’t use keyboard.

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Works

From Faridah on April 18, 2019 :: 7:35 am

I tried tips no 5 and it works. Tried ON and OF my Handphone and bluetooth OFF ON button but its still not working but when I tried OFF and ON airplane mode it works..great ..thank you very much

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888a Gems Earbud won't connect to Bluetooth

From Carlina on April 19, 2019 :: 10:34 pm

I tried connecting to the Bluetooth but it won’t work. The earbuds is saying “connect successfully” but there is no name popping up on the Bluetooth list. The type phone I have is LG Fortune 2. Can you please help???

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Are you sure they're not connected to something else?

From Josh Kirschner on April 23, 2019 :: 5:12 pm

I’ve had this happen when my headphones pair with my laptop instead on my phone. Are you sure they’re not connecting to another device?

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i once paired my bluetooth

From brooke on April 26, 2019 :: 6:12 am

i once paired my bluetooth headphones to my galaxy s9 and i unpaired them and now the wont reconnect

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Amplify Fusion wireless headphones

From Hester Fourie on May 01, 2019 :: 8:25 am

Worked fine with my phone. Accidentally press “M” and put on FM. Now I can use headset but a irritating buzz goes off every few seconds. Batteries fully charged.???

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Won't stay connected

From Krystal on May 06, 2019 :: 2:56 am

I bought a Bluetooth speaker from home Depot called the VR3 Bluetooth megaspeaker bass booster portable Power bank.
Model VR650BBPB

For some reason I can connect to it but I when. I go to play the music it plays for a split then turns off from Bluetooth mode again I tried resetting it but no luck please help

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not showing??

From anon on May 22, 2019 :: 8:01 pm

so my phone and my beats x used to connect with each other. however, earlier, i tried to connect them but my beats disappeared from my previously connected devices and it won’t show up on unpaired devices!! what do i do if it won’t even let me forget the device?

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International Pairing

From Susan on May 23, 2019 :: 12:38 pm

I have been trying to pair a US iPad with a Mexican credit card reader without success. Is there something “geographic” about Bluetooth connections? I changed the iPad to. Mexican based iTunes address but that hasn’t helped. Anyone have any suggestions?

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There is no geographic Bluetooth restriction

From Josh Kirschner on May 24, 2019 :: 7:56 am

There is nothing inherent in Bluetooth that would restrict a US device from connecting with a device from Mexico. Sounds like a general Bluetooth pairing issue of some type. Though it’s hard to say without knowing more about the device and pairing process you’re going through.

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Lg Bluetooth headphones quit pairing with iphone suddenly

From Tracie Conant on June 04, 2019 :: 9:22 am

My Lg wireless headphones quit pairing with my Iphone7 suddenly after charging the headphones. I can’t get the phone to recognize the headphones at all. How do I fix this? These are my favorite headphones.

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Did you follow advice above?

From Josh Kirschner on June 04, 2019 :: 11:04 am

Our tips above usually fix these pairing issues. Try numbers 6 & 8 first for the problem you’re having.

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Yes I did

From Tracie Conant on June 20, 2019 :: 9:33 am

I tried both of these right away before asking for help. I think my headphones are junk. The blue light that says they are on and connected stays on even when they are off. They wouldn’t work at all though.

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6S Bluetooth headphones not connecting to pc

From David Freestone on June 07, 2019 :: 6:38 am

I recently purchased a pair of 6S Just Do It Bluetooth headphones from a charity shop?
I then ordered a Bluetooth dongle for my pc?
The headphones pair successfully with both my iPhone 5 and iPad 2, no problem there.
I installed all of the up do date Bluetooth drivers for my pc.
I then switched on the headphones after a 12 hour charge, the lights flashed, i got the audio message saying that Bluetooth was now ready to be connected.
Unfortunately my pc did a search for new devices and couldn’t find my headphones?
I was wondering if i had done something wrong or is there a follow up procedure i should have done?
Please can you help me with this problem, i really would like to use these headphones?
Many thanks

DF

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Ear Buds

From Jim Pinelli on June 11, 2019 :: 2:04 pm

I’ve been searching the Internet and YouTube to see if your beds are compatible with my fire smart TV. I have tried several different options and how to connect it with out success. Is it because they are earbuds and they have to be
Headphones

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Help

From Wanderer83 on June 17, 2019 :: 6:42 pm

I’m needing a 4 digit passcode to connect?! Tried 0000,1111,1234,9999…..

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Can't pair Fitbit Ionic and Creative Outlier Air headphones

From Michael O Mahony on June 18, 2019 :: 3:12 am

Having a problem connecting Fitbit Ionic and Creative Outlier Air bluetooth headphones. I also tried with i7sTWS bluetooth headphones but neither of them will connect. The fitbit discovers both of them and can obviously sees them but pairing (and the constant wheel spinning) continues without success. With the Creative headphones i hear “connected” through the headset and then about 5 seconds later “disconnected” I have logged a call with Fitbit on their community and also through their “help” on the website but they tell me that they’re investigating and insist that it’s not a ploy to get me to buy their “recommended” headset. Both headphone sets work with my phone and other bluetooth enabled devices so I know that the headphones are working. Any help would be greatly appreciated…

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Volume Issues

From puzzled on June 20, 2019 :: 8:44 am

Have a landscape speaker that syncs up with both my phone and I pod via Bluetooth. However, although the volume with the phone is working properly, the volume on the I pod is barely audible even with the volume turned all the way up. Any suggestions?

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Thanks!

From Phil on June 26, 2019 :: 8:17 am

Great advice. Solved my Plantronics pairing problems.

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MPOW Headphones have stopped pairing with MPOW transmitter

From David Lloyd on June 28, 2019 :: 3:30 pm

I used my MPOW headphones exclusively with my TV which does not have Bluetooth. I use an MPOW transmitter that is plugged into the audio output of the TV. It has worked very well for the past three years. However, this morning, and so far all day, the two devices are not working together. The headphones make the pairing sound, but there is no sound. I have ensured that all other Bluetooth devices in our home are off, so there can be no local interference. I have shut off the power to both devices for an extended period of time to troubleshoot. I can get the headphones to connect to my phone (which is normally paired with the headphones while using them with the TV so I can hit the call button, mute the TV, and use the phone), so the problem isn’t the phone. I can hook a speaker to the TV and get sound, so the problem is not with the speaker jack on the TV.

NOW what can I do?

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Couple questions...

From Josh Kirschner on July 01, 2019 :: 5:47 pm

First, you say you are paring your headphones with your phone. Are you sure they aren’t already paired to your phone while trying to pair them to the MPOW transmitter?

Second, have you tried resetting the headphones and the transmitter (not just turning them off and on) then tried to re-pair them?

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No sound

From Jolene Wielgosz on July 03, 2019 :: 10:54 am

We have a vizio sound bar and an older Sony docking station we’ve played music through (Pandora, Spotify & SiriusXM).  I can connect to the bluetooth device but no sound will come through the speakers.  Once disconnected, sound does come through the phone.  Any suggestions are greatly appreciated.  Is there a chance it’s connected to something else?  We have older iPhones, a MAC PC, headphones etc.

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receive calls but cannot transmit in 2014 honda accord

From charles on July 10, 2019 :: 2:05 pm

Paired 2014 honda bluetooth with Motorola G4 with Android 7.0. I receive calls,in the car, but I cannot transmit.The screen, in the car,says “telephone number” but when speaking a number nothing happens.
Can anyone suggest a fix?

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Same passkey no pairing

From John J on July 11, 2019 :: 9:07 pm

Consumer Cellular phone + Lenovo Laptop both finally showed same passkey but would not pair. Why?

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Did you follow steps above?

From Josh Kirschner on July 12, 2019 :: 2:05 pm

There are a number of reasons why Bluetooth pairing could fail between a phone and laptop, so follow the steps above and see if that helps you troubleshoot.

Also, out of curiosity, why are you connecting your phone to your laptop via Bluetooth?

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Bluetooth pairing problem

From dusko on July 16, 2019 :: 5:25 am

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Hi My Name is Dusko ,I am Trying to sync my smart phone (oppo A73) to my Smart watch android KW 88 . – I can sync them together but i cannot receive any notifications eg phone calls or messages from the phone to the watch .I quickly synced it to my wives I phone 7s and it worked very well all notifications came thew very well Can you help me please.

Thanks Dusko

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My skullcandy ink will not

From Gail Williams on July 23, 2019 :: 11:05 pm

My skullcandy ink will not connect to my galaxy j7… but it connected to my last phone 8S+.

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Car Radio Bluetooth connects to other phones.

From Christopher R Williams on July 25, 2019 :: 9:35 pm

So, I connect my phone to my Kenwood Car Radio perfectly. No problems there. The problem arises when some else is in the car with their phone. When they enter their phone connects to the car radio and disrupts the connection of my phone. Resulting in me unable to retrieve the connection. Their phones connect while my phone is connected, sometimes automatically. Is there a way to fix this?

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Not pairing for calls

From Santjie Stols on July 28, 2019 :: 9:59 pm

I got a Jabra earpiece.  It connected with my phone when purchased a couple of days ago for calls and listening to media (podcasts).  Since yesterday it only connects to media.  If I go in Bluetooth and click the calls, it goes straight back to don’t connect.  I have restarted, clear cache, forget and repaired.  Please help

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Bluetooth earphones

From Olufunso on July 30, 2019 :: 1:38 am

I bought a set of HBQ-Q13S Bluetooth earbuds for my iPhone xsmax, they worked fined and synced welll at first I mean they were both working together. Now they choose to work separately and I have tried to pair them together to no avail. Help me please it’s frustrating me already and making work slow

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Working solution: Check windows bluetooth services

From Raedamof on July 30, 2019 :: 1:00 pm

windows key + r
type services.msc
set all bluetooth services to automatic

then add bluetooth devices

Worked for me on my ThinkPad x200

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dongle for blue tooth

From DanO on July 31, 2019 :: 8:27 pm

I bought a dongle to make a nonblue tooth enabled lap top accept blue tooth.  I can’t get it to work.  Any suggestions.

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Bluetooth headset

From Anila on July 31, 2019 :: 10:15 pm

My Bluetooth headset is connecting with calls but I can’t hear the voice clearly from other end…
What to do?

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Bluetooth audio

From Ana Rubio on August 02, 2019 :: 11:19 pm

I have tried everything and my phone is connected to the car but it won’t let me select the source to actually play music.

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android - it worked for me

From Joel R on August 15, 2019 :: 9:04 pm

A bluetooth device I have been using for some time with my android phone all of sudden would not work anymore.  I tried many of the other tips including trying pairing again but nothing worked.

I tried resetting the network settings which solved my problem

MANY THANKS

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Excellent article

From Kalyan C on August 20, 2019 :: 10:26 am

I was struggling to connect Nebula projector with Edifier speakers. The proximity issue as suggested by the article helped me resolve the problem. Thank you

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Bluetooth Keeps Stopping

From Gil on August 24, 2019 :: 8:47 am

I have paired my LG cell phone with my 2017 Toyota Avalon’s “Entune” system and most of the time it drops the call I am on (or says, “Connect a phone and try again.”) and the display shows “Bluetooth has stopped working.” I have taken it to the car dealer several times and they say, “It’s the phone not the car.” When I take it to Xfinity (the provider), they say, “It’s not the phone, it’s the car.” It’s driving me nuts!

Do you have a suggestion, please?

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Try this

From Josh Kirschner on August 24, 2019 :: 9:27 am

1. Make sure your car has the latest firmware for your head unit. The dealer may do this upgrade under warranty, if available, or you I’ve read posts that suggest you can find the files online and do the upgrade yourself (but haven’t researched this in detail).

2. Erase all existing Bluetooth connections from Entune and “forget” Entune in your LG’s Bluetooth settings.

3. Repair the two and see if that fixes the issue.

If issue isn’t resolved, a message that “Bluetooth has stopped working” on your Entune certainly suggests a car issue, not a phone issue - phone issues may cause the connection to drop, but not cause Bluetooth to crash, if that’s what that message means (it’s hard to know what messages actually represent on every manufacturer’s system). You may need to escalate the issue to Toyota corporate, rather than going through your dealer.

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Bluetooth Keeps Stopping

From Gil Gaudia on August 24, 2019 :: 9:35 am

All I can say again, John, is I appreciate your suggestions and will let you know the outcome, if any, (and if I live long enough).

Gil

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